anyone ever make a dedicated s10 C6 steel?

[Bill McCloskey]

The more I get into the C6 neck, I start to think about how nice it would be to have a dedicated s10 C6 6x5. I've got enough S10 E9th guitars between my ETS and my "on order" Sho-bud maverick II. But man it would be nice to have a dedicated C6 neck for jazz and jazz standards.

[Colin Boutilier]

I believe Sho-Bud had an S10 5p at one point in the 70s.

[Stew Crookes]

I thought about switching my EMCI S10 over and got some very good copendant suggestions here:
viewtopic.php?p=3248052#p3248052


But in the end, after a lot of thought, I decided that I know my personality well enough and will get sucked into C6 and will then obsessively NEED TO HAVE an E9/C6 convertible 12 string from Excel or Shoji so I've decided to eventually sell the EMCI and buy one of those as my next steel

[Sam Inglis]

I know of an Excel S10 that was made for C6. It might have been a special order, though.

[Wayne Brown]

Actually when we start production eary next year we were looking into a S-10 C6th Pedal Steel Guitar. However the must be enough interest to warrant that.
Thanks
Wayne

[Bill McCloskey]

I'm intrigued Wayne. Are you starting a new pedal steel company? Right now I have emails out to Williams and Toshiiyuki about building me a C6 S10 6x5. Tell me more?

[Wayne Brown]

Yes we are Bill, most of the raw stock has been purchased already and i am in conversations with some of Canada's top Pedal Steel Guitar player's. With there input we are in the process of designing a few different models of guitars from entry pro model light weight S-10's to some SD-10's to some High end works of Art. thats all i am prepared to say at this time lol
thanks
wayne

[Bill McCloskey]

Well, the community definitely needs new builders. Good luck!!

[Richard Sinkler]

I believe many (maybe all) of the current builders would gladly make you a C6 guitar with however many pedals and knee levers you want. The basic guitar is the same mo matter which tuning.

[Bill McCloskey]

At this point I've heard back from both Toshi and Bill at Williams. Now I have to make a decision.

[Dennis A Brown]

Looks like there was a C6 Justice S-10 5+1 for sale on the forum not long ago as per this thread:

viewtopic.php?p=3253688&hilit=justice+s+10+c6#p3253688

[Bill McCloskey]

I remember that. Mike from Steel Guitars of Ohio was selling it originally and then they guy who bought sold it a few weeks later. only one knee lever though.

[Bill McCloskey]

Well it was a tough decision between the Williams and the Shoji. But I decided to go with the Williams. Here is the copedent I'll be having them make for me. Single neck 6x5

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[Marco Coblenz]

May I ask what reasons made You go with the Williams?

[Bill McCloskey]

Sure: here is what I compared.

1. Williams lead time is 8 months. Toshi's lead time was 5 months. Not really much of a difference.
2. Price was comparable. Both around $4k plus change. Toshi also had shipping costs and possible unforeseen tariff costs. Less unknowns with Williams, so that gave williams the edge
3. Parts: Parts are easy to come by with a williams and legs and rods are standardized. In japan they use the metric system so things like legs and parts would need to be custom ordered from a single supplier in Japan.
4. Communication. While Toshi is very good with communication, we aren't in the same time zone and Bill is a quick phone call away.
5. Given the choice, all other things being equal, I prefer buying from an American manufacturer.

Here is what I ordered:

S10 6x5
Aluminum Neck
Keyless
Black, no trim, no inlay
Red/White Fretboard
SteelTronics Single Coil Pickup
Legs and rods 1” under standard
Wheeled case

Copedent

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[Colin Boutilier]

Yes we are Bill, most of the raw stock has been purchased already and i am in conversations with some of Canada's top Pedal Steel Guitar player's. With there input we are in the process of designing a few different models of guitars from entry pro model light weight S-10's to some SD-10's to some High end works of Art. thats all i am prepared to say at this time lol
thanks
wayne

I'm super excited to see another builder on this side of the border! Keep us in the loop as things get going.

[Bob Blair]

The late Harry Hess had an s-10 (I think it was just 10 strings) C6 Fessenden.